You know, one time I was down in another city at meetings and we had the pastor that I was working with there, he lined up a dinner time with another pastor. And this other pastor, he was the pastor of the biggest church, it was an evangelical church, in that city. And this matter of optional Lordship, optional holiness, optional repentance, came up. And it was going back and forth, back and forth, and I said: “Well, let me put it like this.” “Let’s say that you have in your church somebody who has been a member, he’s been...